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Re: New wiki

Jim O
It shouldn't. Not with appropriate cross linking. In fact, it should strengthen it.

------Original Message------
From: Cliff Wells
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Subject: Re: New wiki
Sent: Mar 12, 2009 3:04 PM

On Thu, 2009-03-12 at 10:43 -0700, Chris Cortese wrote:
> Thanks, this is nice, but why no forums?  Seems to me some of the
> mailing list stuff might be better served in forums.

I've considered this.  My biggest concern is splintering the community.
If people find a forum, they may never find their way here (and vice
versa).   The more people in one spot, the more likely someone will get
their questions answered.

The solution, of course, is to cross-post between the forum and mailing
list, but that brings it's own issues (as we've seen with the crap that
comes in from the ruby forum that is linked here).

If someone has a bright idea on how to address that, I'd be happy to add
a forum to the mix.  

Cliff





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Re: New wiki

Igor Sysoev
On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 12:54:40PM -0700, Cliff Wells wrote:

> On Thu, 2009-03-12 at 12:41 -0700, mike wrote:
> > Igor, would you be willing to donate nginx.org (or wiki.nginx.org,
> > forums.nginx.org or forum.nginx.org) etc. towards this?
>
> I think wiki.nginx.org and forums.nginx.org subdomains would be
> useful.  

Well, I can point wiki.nginx.org to 69.168.53.49 right now. OK ?


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Igor Sysoev
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RE: New wiki

Jim O
Can you point forum.nginx.org to 67.213.222.44?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
> Igor Sysoev
> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 4:11 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: New wiki
>
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 12:54:40PM -0700, Cliff Wells wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 2009-03-12 at 12:41 -0700, mike wrote:
> > > Igor, would you be willing to donate nginx.org (or wiki.nginx.org,
> > > forums.nginx.org or forum.nginx.org) etc. towards this?
> >
> > I think wiki.nginx.org and forums.nginx.org subdomains would be
> > useful.
>
> Well, I can point wiki.nginx.org to 69.168.53.49 right now. OK ?
>
>
> --
> Igor Sysoev
> http://sysoev.ru/en/


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Re: New wiki

Cliff Wells
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On Thu, 2009-03-12 at 23:10 +0300, Igor Sysoev wrote:

> On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 12:54:40PM -0700, Cliff Wells wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 2009-03-12 at 12:41 -0700, mike wrote:
> > > Igor, would you be willing to donate nginx.org (or wiki.nginx.org,
> > > forums.nginx.org or forum.nginx.org) etc. towards this?
> >
> > I think wiki.nginx.org and forums.nginx.org subdomains would be
> > useful.  
>
> Well, I can point wiki.nginx.org to 69.168.53.49 right now. OK ?

That would be great.

Cliff




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Re: New wiki

Michael Shadle
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whoa whoa, why don't we host this stuff on the same server/location.

cliff, do you want to give jim an account and point /forum over to him?

this way, if the wiki goes down, the forum isn't up and vice versa.
that always looks so amateur.

On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 1:20 PM, Jim Ohlstein <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Can you point forum.nginx.org to 67.213.222.44?
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
>> Igor Sysoev
>> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 4:11 PM
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Subject: Re: New wiki
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 12:54:40PM -0700, Cliff Wells wrote:
>>
>> > On Thu, 2009-03-12 at 12:41 -0700, mike wrote:
>> > > Igor, would you be willing to donate nginx.org (or wiki.nginx.org,
>> > > forums.nginx.org or forum.nginx.org) etc. towards this?
>> >
>> > I think wiki.nginx.org and forums.nginx.org subdomains would be
>> > useful.
>>
>> Well, I can point wiki.nginx.org to 69.168.53.49 right now. OK ?
>>
>>
>> --
>> Igor Sysoev
>> http://sysoev.ru/en/
>
>
>

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RE: New wiki

Jim O
That's fine with me.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
> mike
> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 4:27 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: New wiki
>
> whoa whoa, why don't we host this stuff on the same server/location.
>
> cliff, do you want to give jim an account and point /forum over to him?
>
> this way, if the wiki goes down, the forum isn't up and vice versa.
> that always looks so amateur.
>
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 1:20 PM, Jim Ohlstein <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
> > Can you point forum.nginx.org to 67.213.222.44?
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf
> Of
> >> Igor Sysoev
> >> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 4:11 PM
> >> To: [hidden email]
> >> Subject: Re: New wiki
> >>
> >> On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 12:54:40PM -0700, Cliff Wells wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Thu, 2009-03-12 at 12:41 -0700, mike wrote:
> >> > > Igor, would you be willing to donate nginx.org (or
> wiki.nginx.org,
> >> > > forums.nginx.org or forum.nginx.org) etc. towards this?
> >> >
> >> > I think wiki.nginx.org and forums.nginx.org subdomains would be
> >> > useful.
> >>
> >> Well, I can point wiki.nginx.org to 69.168.53.49 right now. OK ?
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Igor Sysoev
> >> http://sysoev.ru/en/
> >
> >
> >


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Re: New wiki

Igor Sysoev
In reply to this post by Jim O
On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 04:20:16PM -0400, Jim Ohlstein wrote:

> Can you point forum.nginx.org to 67.213.222.44?

done

> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
> > Igor Sysoev
> > Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 4:11 PM
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Subject: Re: New wiki
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 12:54:40PM -0700, Cliff Wells wrote:
> >
> > > On Thu, 2009-03-12 at 12:41 -0700, mike wrote:
> > > > Igor, would you be willing to donate nginx.org (or wiki.nginx.org,
> > > > forums.nginx.org or forum.nginx.org) etc. towards this?
> > >
> > > I think wiki.nginx.org and forums.nginx.org subdomains would be
> > > useful.
> >
> > Well, I can point wiki.nginx.org to 69.168.53.49 right now. OK ?
> >
> >
> > --
> > Igor Sysoev
> > http://sysoev.ru/en/
>

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Re: New wiki

Igor Sysoev
In reply to this post by Cliff Wells
On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 01:22:08PM -0700, Cliff Wells wrote:

> On Thu, 2009-03-12 at 23:10 +0300, Igor Sysoev wrote:
> > On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 12:54:40PM -0700, Cliff Wells wrote:
> >
> > > On Thu, 2009-03-12 at 12:41 -0700, mike wrote:
> > > > Igor, would you be willing to donate nginx.org (or wiki.nginx.org,
> > > > forums.nginx.org or forum.nginx.org) etc. towards this?
> > >
> > > I think wiki.nginx.org and forums.nginx.org subdomains would be
> > > useful.  
> >
> > Well, I can point wiki.nginx.org to 69.168.53.49 right now. OK ?
>
> That would be great.

done.


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Re: New wiki

Cliff Wells
In reply to this post by Michael Shadle
On Thu, 2009-03-12 at 13:27 -0700, mike wrote:
> whoa whoa, why don't we host this stuff on the same server/location.
>
> cliff, do you want to give jim an account and point /forum over to him?

I can setup another VPS if that's acceptable.  Even if we host the
software on the same server, I think separate VPS' is preferable.  That
way we don't have to worry about software conflicts or sharing a
database, etc.  

Cliff


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Re: New wiki

Merlin-2
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There is a lot more that can be done about integration of mailing list, forum, and wiki if they are all local to each other (I am considering mailing list local by where it is interacted with).  As such, if we are going to risk splintering things with a forum (because it is a very valid concern).  I think the idea to replicate across them is a good idea and will be the only way to help keep everything together and organized.  Of course, the benefit to having them not on the same server is that if the forum or the wiki is down, the other will be up, but this is what local mailing list emails solve :).

- Merlin

On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 1:27 PM, mike <[hidden email]> wrote:
whoa whoa, why don't we host this stuff on the same server/location.

cliff, do you want to give jim an account and point /forum over to him?

this way, if the wiki goes down, the forum isn't up and vice versa.
that always looks so amateur.

On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 1:20 PM, Jim Ohlstein <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Can you point forum.nginx.org to 67.213.222.44?
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
>> Igor Sysoev
>> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 4:11 PM
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Subject: Re: New wiki
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 12:54:40PM -0700, Cliff Wells wrote:
>>
>> > On Thu, 2009-03-12 at 12:41 -0700, mike wrote:
>> > > Igor, would you be willing to donate nginx.org (or wiki.nginx.org,
>> > > forums.nginx.org or forum.nginx.org) etc. towards this?
>> >
>> > I think wiki.nginx.org and forums.nginx.org subdomains would be
>> > useful.
>>
>> Well, I can point wiki.nginx.org to 69.168.53.49 right now. OK ?
>>
>>
>> --
>> Igor Sysoev
>> http://sysoev.ru/en/
>
>
>


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RE: New wiki

Jim O
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I prefer CentOS 5.2 as well. Igor just pointed the subdomain to my VPS so
we'll need to fix that, though honestly I don't see it as a big deal either
way. I use both OpenVZ and Virtuozzo and yes, a separate VPS is preferable.
I need no control panel.

Jim

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
> Cliff Wells
> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 4:39 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: New wiki
>
> On Thu, 2009-03-12 at 13:27 -0700, mike wrote:
> > whoa whoa, why don't we host this stuff on the same server/location.
> >
> > cliff, do you want to give jim an account and point /forum over to
> him?
>
> I can setup another VPS if that's acceptable.  Even if we host the
> software on the same server, I think separate VPS' is preferable.  That
> way we don't have to worry about software conflicts or sharing a
> database, etc.
>
> Cliff



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RE: New wiki

Jim O
In reply to this post by Merlin-2

Extremely valid concern. However, this is a growing community. Forcing one method of interaction/learning on all is a detriment to growth. That’s the “do it my way or no way” approach.

 

Most projects, as they grow, do have forums. It is a form of communication preferred by many people. This is a fact, and as nginx is  continues to grow in popularity it is bound to happen.

 

Working on an integration with the mailing list is something that I am willing to contribute to financially, but my php is not strong enough to do it myself.

 

Any takers?

 

Jim

 

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Merlin
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 4:47 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: New wiki

 

There is a lot more that can be done about integration of mailing list, forum, and wiki if they are all local to each other (I am considering mailing list local by where it is interacted with).  As such, if we are going to risk splintering things with a forum (because it is a very valid concern).  I think the idea to replicate across them is a good idea and will be the only way to help keep everything together and organized.  Of course, the benefit to having them not on the same server is that if the forum or the wiki is down, the other will be up, but this is what local mailing list emails solve :).

- Merlin

On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 1:27 PM, mike <[hidden email]> wrote:

whoa whoa, why don't we host this stuff on the same server/location.

cliff, do you want to give jim an account and point /forum over to him?

this way, if the wiki goes down, the forum isn't up and vice versa.
that always looks so amateur.


On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 1:20 PM, Jim Ohlstein <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Can you point forum.nginx.org to 67.213.222.44?
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
>> Igor Sysoev
>> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 4:11 PM
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Subject: Re: New wiki
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 12:54:40PM -0700, Cliff Wells wrote:
>>
>> > On Thu, 2009-03-12 at 12:41 -0700, mike wrote:
>> > > Igor, would you be willing to donate nginx.org (or wiki.nginx.org,
>> > > forums.nginx.org or forum.nginx.org) etc. towards this?
>> >
>> > I think wiki.nginx.org and forums.nginx.org subdomains would be
>> > useful.
>>
>> Well, I can point wiki.nginx.org to 69.168.53.49 right now. OK ?
>>
>>
>> --
>> Igor Sysoev
>> http://sysoev.ru/en/
>
>
>

 

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Re: New wiki

Cliff Wells
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On Thu, 2009-03-12 at 23:39 +0300, Igor Sysoev wrote:

> On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 01:22:08PM -0700, Cliff Wells wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 2009-03-12 at 23:10 +0300, Igor Sysoev wrote:
> > > On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 12:54:40PM -0700, Cliff Wells wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Thu, 2009-03-12 at 12:41 -0700, mike wrote:
> > > > > Igor, would you be willing to donate nginx.org (or wiki.nginx.org,
> > > > > forums.nginx.org or forum.nginx.org) etc. towards this?
> > > >
> > > > I think wiki.nginx.org and forums.nginx.org subdomains would be
> > > > useful.  
> > >
> > > Well, I can point wiki.nginx.org to 69.168.53.49 right now. OK ?
> >
> > That would be great.
>
> done.
>

Okay, it's official.  We're now http://wiki.nginx.org/

Regards,
Cliff



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Re: New wiki

Dan Dascalescu-2
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> Most projects, as they grow, do have forums. It is a form of communication
> preferred by many people. This is a fact, and as nginx is  continues to grow
> in popularity it is bound to happen.
>
> Working on an integration with the mailing list is something that I am
> willing to contribute to financially

Hi Jim,

I'm not sure you saw the Nabble2 link http://n2.nabble.com/nginx-f2469901.html

Check out their main page for the features. The only downside is that
it hasn't archived any mailing list messages sent before when I
created the forum today.

Dan

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Re: New wiki

"C. Bergström"-2
In reply to this post by Jim O
Jim Ohlstein wrote:

>
>
> Extremely valid concern. However, this is a growing community. Forcing
> one method of interaction/learning on all is a detriment to growth.
> That’s the “do it my way or no way” approach.
>
>  
>
> Most projects, as they grow, do have forums. It is a form of
> communication preferred by many people. This is a fact, and as nginx is
>  continues to grow in popularity it is bound to happen.
>
>  
>
> Working on an integration with the mailing list is something that I am
> willing to contribute to financially, but my php is not strong enough to
> do it myself.

I wasn't going to comment on this, but jive software has built a whole
one-stop-shop community platform.  (integrates ml with forums.. etc..)
We (OSUNIX community) were granted a developer license and even though I
doubt it would be the preferred solution I'd happily host the nginx
community.  The current limitation to this being that ml + forums won't
be synced until we're self hosting the smtp stuff.  The guys/gals at
jivesofter are great, but I know the sticky point is mostly that many
projects/people don't like to use non-foss stuff.  (JIRA being another
example which is great, but not foss.)  Just thought I'd toss some extra
ideas out there instead of more php spaghetti encumbering the world.

Thanks

./Christopher

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Re: New wiki

sam-24
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Cliff Wells <cliff@...> writes:

>
> I've gone ahead and redirected http://wiki.codemongers.com to
> http://www.nginx-community.org.
>
> The old wiki is still available at http://oldwiki.nginx-community.org in
> case there's anything there we still need to migrate.
>
> If anyone has any issues, please contact me.
>
> Regards,
> Cliff
>
>
Hi:
User contributed patches that were there as attachments have disappeared
Refer:
http://wiki.codemongers.com/NginxHttpUpstreamRequestHashModule?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=nginx_upstream_hash-0.3.tar.gz

Regards,
Sam V





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Re: New wiki

Cliff Wells
On Fri, 2009-03-13 at 01:04 +0000, sam wrote:

>
>
> Cliff Wells <cliff@...> writes:
>
> >
> > I've gone ahead and redirected http://wiki.codemongers.com to
> > http://www.nginx-community.org.
> >
> > The old wiki is still available at http://oldwiki.nginx-community.org in
> > case there's anything there we still need to migrate.
> >
> > If anyone has any issues, please contact me.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Cliff
> >
> >
> Hi:
> User contributed patches that were there as attachments have disappeared
> Refer:
> http://wiki.codemongers.com/NginxHttpUpstreamRequestHashModule?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=nginx_upstream_hash-0.3.tar.gz

Hm, that's because for some reason that patch wasn't on the page with
all the other patches.  I'll get it moved (and linked on the right
page).

Cliff


> Regards,
> Sam V
>
>
>
>
>


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Re: New wiki

Cliff Wells
In reply to this post by sam-24
On Fri, 2009-03-13 at 01:04 +0000, sam wrote:

>
>
> Cliff Wells <cliff@...> writes:
>
> >
> > I've gone ahead and redirected http://wiki.codemongers.com to
> > http://www.nginx-community.org.
> >
> > The old wiki is still available at http://oldwiki.nginx-community.org in
> > case there's anything there we still need to migrate.

> Hi:
> User contributed patches that were there as attachments have disappeared
> Refer:
> http://wiki.codemongers.com/NginxHttpUpstreamRequestHashModule?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=nginx_upstream_hash-0.3.tar.gz


Okay Sam,

They are all back.  Thanks for the heads up.

Cliff


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